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It's really awful, but i don't think it's something that a prosecutor would bring. >> i have said and heard things on television tonight that i never in a million years thought. okay. so, ryan, we know how close president trump is with ami. we know how he despises jeff bezos. is ami still doing trump's dirty work? what is going on here? >> i don't know. i mean, the two leading theories seem to be that ami is either doing the saudis' dirty work, president trump's dirty work, or a combination of the two. we know that trump hates bezos. we know he attacks him frequently on twitter. he hates a lot...

Ryan lizza, renato mariotti here to discuss. wow. wow. >> this story has it all. >> yeah, this story has it all. good evening. it's like the "saturday night live" skit, this story has it all, it's got foul language, it's got pictures, it's got -- right? money. >> the saudis. >> it's got saudis. renato, bezos says this is blackmail and extortion. is he right? does he have a case? >> well, he's right in our common understanding of those terms. i think it's possible that he could certainly -- he could see the "national enquirer" and ami and get some money out of them. obviously, he has very deep ...

Like a crime. >> why would -- there are other aspects i want to get -- why would someone who constantly calls out the alleged misdeeds of others, even often wrongly calls them out when many people think it's just projection, and i'm speaking of donald trump, why would he be associated with someone like david pecker who, in your estimation, says uses -- uses, you know, actions that are akin to extortion and the rico act. >> because i think he finds it irresistible. i think he feels he's above the law and he'll use every tool that he has to achieve his goals. >> let's talk about this saudi conne...

Somehow in their favor. >> interesting. i wonder if day want to poke the bear with this one considering just how wealthy brkezos is. he's coming out really strong. why is he saying -- why is bezos saying he thinks it has something to do with ami, trump and the saudis? again, hard ball he's playing, too, right? >> yeah, and he's hired top investigators to do this. there are several investigations that are ongoing, bezos says. what's interesting, obviously, that pecker's connection to the president, longtime friend, they may be friends. he protected the president for many, many years. he was inv...

They have been incredibly aggressive in investigating and getting to the bottom of what happened in that case. and on a parallel track, ami has reportedly been sucking up to the saudis, perhaps because they have some kind of financial relationship or want one. so, you know, there's a lot of unanswered questions about this and what the motivation here was, but just to go back to the question to renato, i think to a normal layperson, this was extortion. right? this was you do "x" or we're going to expose these pictures. >> and they did it in writing, though. allegedly. >> they did it in writing....