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Exactly casper. it's not even laramie. so there's that. and i think the cheney family is busy trying to resurrect itself to reclaim its reputation. as indeed on a parallel track, george w. bush has been. these are people who are determined. these are fish constantly swimming upstream. it's in their nature. and the cheneys are trying to establish a new generation. and i think these days, people mix the prominence of politics with the prominence of the media. i think liz cheney's desire is to get back here to washington as a united states senator and she's willing to violate all the rules of lif...

As a united states senator and she's willing to violate all the rules of life in wyoming to do it. >> you know, you've got spitzer and weaner running after their embarrassments but they didn't have a war with all the casualties of that war on their conscience. cheney never apologized for iraq and nonsense that led to the argument the brilliant propaganda campaign he marshalled to get us in that war and to stay in that war. i mean, they don't apologize for that. they don't say they made a mistake. they don't say anything. they just want more it seems to me. your thoughts, david. give me more. >...

George w. bush has been. these are people who are determined. these are fish constantly swimming upstream. it's in their nature. and the cheneys are trying to establish a new generation. and i think these days, people mix the prominence of politics with the prominence of the media. i think liz cheney's desire is to get back here to washington as a united states senator and she's willing to violate all the rules of life in wyoming to do it. >> you know, you've got spitzer and weiner running after their personal embarrassments and they're largely personal, but they didn't have a war with all the...

Rather not have a national i.d. card than solve the problem? >> that's not accurate, chris. >> help me out then. you are saying, we'll do it your way which is sort of relying on driver's licenses which have never been successful. and by the way, how many states issue phony driver's licenses? it's unbelievable. that's the thing that got spitzer in trouble. this is like what goes on, you know that. got hillary clinton and her campaign it came up, the issuing of phony driver's licenses. you know what goes on. virginia does it. a lot of states do it. >> chris, you're setting up a straw man where i...

>> that's not accurate, chris. >> help me out then. are you saying, we'll do it your way which is sort of relying on driver's licenses which have never been successful, and by the way, how many states issue phony driver's licenses? it's unbelievable. that a thing that got spitzer in trouble. this is like what goes on, you know that. got hillary clinton and her campaign it came up, the issuing of phony driver's licenses. virginia does it. a lot of states do it. >> you set up a straw man where if i don't agree with your position i don't want a solution and that's not accurate. >> what's the chie...