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Or having a partition but making sure that you're keeping that separation, because many people have had that experience of working from home and getting up at 11:30 'cause they had an idea and they haven't closed up shop. >> you say don't let work take over the house, meaning don't have files here, paperwork there. >> yes. >> got keep it all -- >> contain it to one area. it is very overwhelming to always have that work there. so the visual is really, really important. try to keep things contained. >> hard to do if living in an apartment, small apartment in new york city, for example. >> so, yo...

Making sure that you're keeping that separation, because many people have had that experience of working from home and getting up at 11:30 'cause they had an idea and they haven't closed up shop. >> and then you say don't let work take over the house, meaning don't have files here, paperwork there. >> yes. >> got keep it all -- >> try to contain it to one area. it is very overwhelming to always have that work there. so, the visual is really, really important. try to keep things contained. >> and that's hard to do if living in an apartment, in a small apartment in new york city, for example. >>...