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With, go completely crazy. how big is the constituency in america for open the bordering, decriminalizing illegal entry and offering healthcare for everyone who arrives. how many people support that, would you say? >> this is the problem with the debate format. the raise your hand if you do this or that doesn't allow for nuance or discussion about what you are talking about. this is a gotcha style of politics. so i'll call fake news on that and say we need a substantive discussion of how it exists. if you have a debate with ten people it doesn't lend yourself to discussion you need to haven't ...

Bordering, decriminalizing illegal entry and offering healthcare for everyone who arrives. how many people support that, would you say? >> this is the problem with the debate format. the raise your hand if you do this or that doesn't allow for nuance or discussion about what you are talking about. this is a gotcha style of politics. so i'll call fake news on that and say we need a sub stative discussion of -- substantive discussion of how it exists. if you have a debate with ten people it doesn't lend yourself to discussion you need to haven't a that. >> tucker: i agree. i a not here to defend...