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It's not some ideological agenda or some policy preference. it is to own the lips. this is the ultimate example of this. try to have this big fight to win something. they don't even know what they want to win. social security or medicare cuts? defense cuts? increasing defense spending? is it defunding -- like jordan tweeted about the other day. they have no idea. there is a principle here. and that is you cannot allow one half of one branch of congress to use the threat of a global financial crisis to extract policy concessions that they cannot get through the normal electoral process. they di...

Party independent candidate can tip the ballot and do the damage that was done to jimmy carter or george herbert walker bush in those respective elections where you have somebody come in. doesn't get many electoral votes if any but we get a president elected with less than 45% of the vote. >> bret: you are saying if it's former president trump against president biden, that someone else, like throwing it out there, joe manchin, someone else gets in the race. >> or a business person. >> bret: or a business person. >> it's tempting for them. >> bret: do you think that's possible, celinda. >> it's...

Cannot win. >> congressman walsh, what does this tell you about how things are going to be like in the house in the next two years in terms of just getting stuff done? >> yeah, that's why anderson, this may be a really boring take, but i don't think it really matters which republican ultimately becomes speaker. because the maga trumpist wing of this party, and it's no longer a wing, it is the party in the house, they're going to control the next two years no matter who the speaker is. they want to investigate hunter biden's laptop. they want dr. fauci's scalp. and it really doesn't matter who ...

Chaos. and, what we saw yesterday really was chaos. and the goal is to govern. so it's really not about kevin as a speaker or a speaker in general. it's about can the republicans vote to have a governing majority. and the speaker is the first step. there's going to be a lot of difficult bills on this journey. and, quite frankly, i have been to a lot of battles in my life. and i have. not every commanding general is george s. patton. we win because everyone does their job. the front line wins battles, not the gener general. in the house, it's not the speakers who passes the bills. it's the memb...

>> i think you're right. and a party that were you a member of, joe, was a party, as i need not tell you, but prided itself on the fact it was able to manage. i mean, nixon, for instance, in 1968 after the democratic convention, that smashup in chicago said a party that cannot unite itself cannot unite america. no one's goal to unite america, sadly, in this moment in 2023, but at least yesterday we got our first look at the republicans as a governing majority in the house, and it was a food fight. now, you had marjorie taylor greene denouncing mccarthy, and mccarthy denouncing her and others. ...