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Governing majority. that's what his allies wanted. they wanted 230 seats, 240 seats, certainly not 222 seats because they're in the very problem they were fearing would essentially happen here. and now they have to deal with it as a result. and as you said, i talked to bob good yesterday. he said he will still vote no. that's the problem here, no matter what kevin mccarthy does, he has this immoveable conference who doesn't really care whether or not they -- the congress goes into chaos because essentially they believe that it will achieve their objective here. >> and one of the complaints of ...

So, as of tonight, how does mccarthy's path to the speakership, how does it look like he will get there? >> it's really uncertain at this point. this is precisely the concern that mccarthy and his allies had in the run-up to the midterms. they spent a ton of money to try to build what they called a governing majority, they wanted 230 seats, 235 seats or even 240 seats and i got probably 222 seats and that means to become elected speaker you need to have 218 votes on january 3 so more than four republicans voted against him or vote for another candidate, that means he will have a problem and ri...

To him. and they are blaming trump for the outcome. but he's got this josh hawley wing, it is small, but has grown a little bit in the last few years, that are agitating, trying to be sort of the new conservatives that are thoughtful, and also considered sort of populist, a little bit trumpy, but their ranks are pretty small over in the senate. it is not as -- nearly as big a problem as mccarthy. >> and not entirely clear who would succeed him as republican leader. on the house side, i mean, if republicans are able to pull out a marginal victory here, it is still a real problem. republicans th...

Kevin mccarthy. because of the majority they may have, it will be very narrow if they are in the majority. that means only a handful of republicans who defect could make his life very difficult not just in gaining the support to become speaker, but also advancing his agenda, which is why the mccarthy team had pushed for what they called a governing majority, hoping they could get 20 seats. it appears they will not get that much if they do end up in the majority, all of which points to a very drama-filled next couple of years if republicans do take back the house as republicans themselves are s...

The cuff remarks as well. we expect to hear from other republican officials through the course of the night, ronna mcdaniel, as well as newt gingrich. mccarthy has been raising enormous sums of money. he has traveled to 40 states over the last several weeks. today in virginia, two districts in which they believe could help them take back the majority. mccarthy and his team i'm told have set the bar at 20 seats. that is more than enough to take back the majority. they believe they clear that bar. it will be a very successful night. they believe that will give them enough for what they consider ...