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Country. and the idea that one guy will fix all these problems, good luck with that. >> and one guy who had always been a moderate. if you look at his governing record, always been basically a moderate. young white voters, that was really the key for then senator obama, now president obama. really about young white voters who should -- >> who will speak on their behalf. >> what will you young white people do this time? >> well, that's sort of what i mean. i'm making up my -- that's what i mean about intersectionality and how incredibly diverse this large group of white voters are. what we have...

There's that piece that you have to take into consideration. >> i sometimes feel like this language of the obamacare is -- the one thing that republicans did beautifully here that president obama and his administration and re-election campaign did right was to brand. we hear obamacare and believe a bunch of things about it that may or may not be true, but the gop did a great job of setting it up as scary and job killing. >> it has become a dirty word like moderate is a dirty word. compromise is a dirty word. but you can't forget that mitt romney is basically the godfather of obamacare and what...

And vote. >> the governor ran on a promise of creating jobs. his campaign promise was that he would create 250,000 jobs. his governing record is he only created 33,000. does this help to create a climate that would in many ways stifle some of those that voted for him and supported him, and helped to energize those that feel that he not only came with trying to go after unions and his whole union busting, but he failed when he came with $33,000 jobs and promised $250,000? >> that's absolutely right. at 33,000, that's debatable. it's not conducive for business. i don't care what anything has to ...

Policy ideas. i ended up talking to him about that. he wants to be in the center of kind of republican thought and sort of the movement, where republicans go next. and jeb bush very much does not want republicans to go in the direction of charlie crist, toward the center. he wants to sort of preserve a very strong, conservative party. i think he's trying to influence that debate. and part of that influencing is of course criticizing obama, stressing a more conservative alternative to obama. >> let me think about this in personal terms. alex, it seems to me that a common sense person will say t...

Governing record to speak for you or not, doesn't work as well. >> final word, and the other problem is in politics when you confront journalist with numbers we have videotape and records and we have a phone where we can call the truman library and ask them what the numbers were and then we can put it in a graphic and that's why it doesn't work as well when you see how much more legislation every other president did sign. >> that's why trump should take a mulligan on this claim. the number of bills passed is not an effective measure of how successful a president has been. a lot of the bills ar...