Earlier whether he tom brokaw sat with him. >> right. >> and it was so simple as a public bent. right? that is, simply all he wanted. how will he be compared to the other as was said earlier, the other lions from the senate? >> well, one way of looking at it, in the late 1950s, there was in the senate painted on the wall they had places on a mural to paint what they wanted to be the great senators in american history and john kennedy who was a senator at the time was asked to help choose who had be the great senators. people like robert lafollette and daniel webster, all these grand figures. i...