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So i just think, you know -- >> until it is. >> he may know something we don't know. about -- >> now he's got to worry about an audience on capitol hill. i agree with your point in the campaign, jeffrey, clearly as we saw all the way up to november 8th, his base was loyal until the very end and they're remaining so until now. to a certain extent. grant him that. he's got a constituency he can't afford to offend on capitol hill. the example today, chuck grassley is going out there giving interviews to manu raju in the hallway saying he's going to subpoena donald trump jr. and paul manafort -- >...

Not vetted with essentially sean spicer and the white house casting blame for any possible -- any possible problems on the previous white house for having grant him security clearance. today jim clapper saying, actually, incoming security advisers have a much higher standard of vetting, is that your understanding of how things work. >> yes, there are two processes, chris, first you have the security clearance. so can you be trused with the country's secrets, basically, that's something that's done by security professionals, the department of defense was responsible for that and we understand t...

Spicer and the white house casting blame for any possible -- any possible problems on the previous white house for having grant him security clearance. today jim clapper saying, actually, incoming security advisers have a much higher standard of vetting, is that your understanding of how things wo. >> yes, the are two processes, chris, first you have the security clearance. so can you be trused with the country's secrets, basically, that's something that's done by security professionals, the department of defense was responsible for that and we understand that general flynn had that renewed in...

Hearing. so you're not going to see some let's give it to flynn to shut off the fbi investigation. the reason to give flynn immunity both from the prosecution side and of course from the more public senate side is that he has something that makes the picture clearer and may have something on someone in particular. we don't know if this is related specifically to the russian hacking issues or other financial issues, like what mark was saying. there's a lot of stuff behind flynn that's questionable. >> and quickly, david, is this more deflection that the president would say, yeah, go ahead. gran...

Said if you give me immunity, i will tell you the following. that is what should happen, i think. but it's got to be negotiated with both congress and the fbi. and it just shows why these investigations sometimes take a long time. because these negotiations are complicated. even before you get any testimony from the witness. >> so, jeff, just to your earlier point, this would be negotiated with all, with the fbi, the house and the senate all at once, or as with what happened with oliver north, could the senate grant him immunity to testify and not others? >> right. in part as a result of the n...