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Trouble and not making good -- >> let me just play devil's advocate. if the u.s. gives weapons to an opposition which is still kind of forming is itself, which we don't know exactly who all the players are, it seems like that from this vantage point. it runs the risk of some sort of escalation, we don't know where those weapons end up. we start a no fly zone, and gras gadhafi still continues to win on the ground and the pressure builds for some sort of further intervention. >> for sure you're right. that's why the no fly zone seems like a big step. arming seems like a lesser step. >> you're no...

Something. the first president bush called on the iraqis to rise up against saddam. then they were attacked, brutally killed, the united states stood by. and then the united states looks like a kind of international powder monkey, stirring up trouble and not making good -- >> let me just play devil's advocate. if the u.s. gives weapons to an opposition which is still kind of forming is itself, which we don't know exactly who all the players are, it seems like that from this vantage point. it runs the risk of some sort of escalation, we don't know where those weapons end up. we start a no fly z...