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Of "dear white america" associate professor of history north carolina state university and author of "right to ride" and host of the web show on surriosu sirius xm patriot. how valuable are celebrity voices in a racial social justice movement. >> somewhat. i think it's important to get people's attention that normally would not be paying attention. folks who don't follow politics, who don't know who you are and don't watch msnbc. >> shocker. >> aren't paying attention to this ongoing political debate will wake up and say, oh, beyonce and jay-z were doing something? let me see what they were ta...

North carolina, greensboro began that aspect of the movement, it's part of what makes the notion of a struggle in north carolina -- this year we have seen before. i'll let you in. >> i agree, this is how movements develop. it's what i said before, what you do after the rally, after the galvanizing moment. i want to go back to the difference of top down, bottom up. there's examples of that on all sides of the aisle. there's attacks against tea party, and i haven't gotten my check from the coke brothers yet and neither has anyone i know of. organize america is a top down movement, grass down mov...

Classed. so the struggle here, what i don't like about it being defined as reproductive rights and abortion is that they are so embedded in every other single right, the right to work, the right to food, the right to health. of course we need these sites because we can't be everywhere, right? it is a coalition -- >> that's part of what makes moral monday effective they recognize reproductive rights and voting rights are connected. blair talk to me about -- we're talking about protests. this is not just protests. this is apparently a movement. what's the difference between protests and movement...

Carolinian ella baker, who i teach about all the time who created a long-term push for civil rights by knowing people, connecting people, maintaining relationships over time. that is what the civil rights movement was built on. >> and really important, i'm glad you mentioned ella baker because there's no greater name for us to remember in the history of social movements. there's a woman doing the work. not only did she say we they'd to mobilize a new contingent which is now sncc got started. she trusted young people. that was the most important, these young folks, i've been doing it with the o...

Across lines of race and ethnicity and ideology to come together around a common cause. one of the reasons i wanted you around the table, lots of reasons, as much as i do not agree with the tea party movement philosophically, idea logically, what i do like is even the sense if you lose an lec, it doesn't mean you lose the right to speak out and speak your goal within the context of a democracy, right? whether or not i agree with the goals of the movement, i thought there was something important about the idea of not being discouraged even when you lose. is there something -- is the right bette...