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The first politicians to come up with a way around that. he saw it was cspan. the cameras trained on the floor of the house in the 1980s and '90s, he would give speeches at 11:00 at night to an empty chamber, but an audience around the country that wanted to watch. he was producing a cable news show on the floor of the house and it took him around the broadcast networks. he built a grass roots constituency. that was the source of his power, the source of his rise and of course media has just proliferated since then, and a lot of other politicians have figured out a version of what gingrich fig...

Those wars, donald trump was able to get elected president. >> i need 45 seconds of brilliance. here we are sitting in one of the networks that came from that era, and you talk about how our media were changed forever. >> yeah, absolutely. and the origin story there, you mentioned the name newt gingrich, it was newt gingrich, the first to really get this. the old era of three big networks and almost nothing else, newt gingrich was one of the first politicians to come up with a way around that. newt saw it with c-span. the cameras trained on the floor of the house in the 1980s and '90s, he woul...

Those wars, donald trump was able to get elected president. >> 45 seconds of brilliance. here we are sitting in one of the networks that came from that era, and you talk about how our media were changed forever. >> yeah, absolutely. and the origin story there, you mentioned the name newt gingrich, it was newt gingrich, the first to really get this. the old era of three big networks and almost nothing else, newt gingrich was one of the first politicians to come up with a way around that. he saw it was cspan. the cameras trained on the floor of the house in the 1980s and '90s, he would give spee...