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He's kept himself a little more -- >> but mercedes, he's trailing ben carson. >> again, why? because, don, we're dealing with such a different political animal right now. we're dealing with the fact that the gop voters are so upset at the washington establishment. at washington period. and they want -- >> but 8% of republican voters only have a favorable opinion of him, how can he win? >> oh, you know, i think jeb bush and the campaign, they're definitely -- you know, they're doing what they can to build their grassroots structure in place in all these different states. with that being said, t...

In 2016 and the nomination is going to -- rand paul. the. >> what do you think about that, cheryl? rand paul with 16% behind chris christie at 21. is he h the won to watch that has the structure, grassroots structure that a republican party nominee needs? >> i don't think so. with george w. bush you had an idealogue who successfully pretended to be a prague mattist to get into office. with romney you have a pragmatist who tried to convert himself into an idealogue. with chris christie you have the pragmatist versus paul the idealogue. i think republicans are desperate for someone who's tacking...

Donald trump is channelling that to such powerful degree. is that going to obscure others who are able to present alternative narratives about immigration reform? >> i think it does. but i also think that frankly the other candidates haven't stepped up. they are all mimicking or trying to be like trump. and really what's happened is the republican primary has become a reality show. and if you are going to have a reality show you shouldn't be surprised that the reality show star is winning. >> jeb bush has resisted trump's criticism before. will he have to take trump seriously? at least engage ...