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Warrant, nato is expanding. how badly has putin miscalculated his invasion of ukraine? >> well, i had think there are people on all sides of this war would say there's been a grave miscalculation. we have seen turkey today essentially ratted fighting a path forward for finland to join nato. we haven't seen them do that with sweden but nato appears to be growing larger and the international criminal court says it's not just this one line of inquiry they are pursuing. they're pursuing multiple allegations and investigations of war crimes inside ukraine. this is just one step in what looks to be ...

Our own. these folks show that our political establishment really is deeply out of touch. team biden probably helps the topping about -- but that is a grave miscalculation. the united states is in the same country it was in 2002. our so-called elites have made too many mistakes. we don't trust the pentagon, the cia, or the national security council now. at least not the way we once did. too much money has been wasted, and too many good americans have died fighting in the middle east and afghanistan. and we have had too many woke lectures from the president and the military about how america is...

Systematically dismantle our own this show that ourab political establishment really . iden probat of touch team bidenbl probably hopes that talking about big bad putin would rally the people much like 9/11 did for bush b cheney. >> but that is a grave miscalculation. t the united stateshe isn't the same country it was in two thousand two. our so-called elites have made too many mistakes. we don't. trust the pentagon, the cia or the national security councilri now at least not the way we once did. too much money has been wasted and too many good americans have died fighting in the middle east ...

That is basically an anti-moscow principle. so in fact, he's accomplishing the very opposite of what he intends and might be making a grave miscalculation here. >> you know, jill, where do you see this heading? >> well, there are many ways that it could head. it could end up in a conflict, a very bloody conflict. or it could be that this is our life for the foreseeable future. that president putin continues to have forces more or less coming and going, stationing equipment, and essentially threatening while at the same time saying it is no threat, we're not going to invade. he will continue, i...

They miscalculate. and i think he's made a grave miscalculation here. >> i was going to say, ruth, i'm sure you saw, and i'm sure all of you saw, the video earlier this week of vladimir putin basically grilling his head of intelligence in that very weird national security meeting that was in front of the media where he basically basically tells them to sit down after he asks him to speak clearly about whatever or not he supports the proposal. and the image i came to my mind was, i don't know if you know this, but in the 70s, when sudden came to power and he called out members of the deaf party...