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Even if these polls are off five or ten points they're still historically low. even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, 38%, 39%, 37%, barack obama was at 65%. then people said it didn't matter, the guy got elected, gravity doesn't matter how much does public opinion matter do you think? >> you know, certainly he has rough numbers going into inauguration day. i think it's really clear from those that he has got to do a lot to earn the trust of the american people and it is going to matter, you know, i harper from people as i travel the state of wisconsin who voted for hillary, voted for ...

They've set these expectations that they can't find a way to get to. so this is going to be hard. >> what do you say to people -- and i want to talk about -- people have been, there's a discussion happened, people look at the approval ratings and say these are historically low and even if these polls are off five or ten points they're still historically low. even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, 38%, 39%, 37%, barack obama was at 65%. then people said it didn't matter, the guy got elected, gravity doesn't matter how much does public opinion matter do you think? >> you know, certainly ...

Very much a glass half full kind of guy. >> at the moment he occupies a political universe that does not -- where the laws of this political universe do not apply. it's like a different physical laws. like gravity doesn't work the same way in his universe as it works in this universe. you can at once have the highest favorability and unfavorability and you just motor along. so we will get to the debate on thursday. i'm trying to wonder who among the other candidates is better at drawing attention to themselves. who has more experience projecting a persona on television? who's going to be bette...

Like gravity doesn't work the same way in his universe as it works in this universe. you can at once have the highest favorability and unfavorability and you just motor along. so we will get to the debate on thursday. i'm trying to wonder, who among the other candidates is better at drawing attention to themselves. who has more experience projecting a persona on television? who's going to be better at filibustering? who is better at turning a question against a questioner? this could be -- this could be a disaster for trump and could also be something of a reality showcase. >> yeah. joy, in th...

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