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John bolton or the cia department -- i sat outside the oval office, every phone call with a foreign leader, you had someone with the state department walk in and listen in. >> undoubtedly. we know from this reporting that's almost certainly not the case and a significant portion at the time, another detail here that's important is there's an additional, more secret schedule that axios writes about that include meetings that aren't are the one they reported. essentially the president had this approach to scheduling because he does not trust very senior west wing staffers. >> i'm reminded of bob...

To be looking back at with shame. >> there is no doubt that a baby, and i have one so i know, they have no idea why the parent would leave. >> and the cynicism of using these children as political instruments, as pawns, to do something that is not even a national emergency. but was was if we put these kids in caging their parents may not come. >> one thing that many lawyers representing the chirp of these parents told me is they didn't think some of the kids would ever get back together with their parents, and i was stunned, and now a lot of that has really been born out. >> we're going to sne...

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Got inside to give him dirt on hillary clinton and then they all went on to lie about it, including the president from aboard air force one. that's not a good reference point to say the west wing turned into the 26th floor of trump tower. >> yeah, that's a very fair point, nicolle. it's also worth pointing out the trump organization, the business he ran, was different than being the united states of america. the federal government is complex. there are millions of people who work for it. there are dozens of agencies and there are tons of decisions, both domestically and in terms of foreign rel...

That he wants to leave troops in iraq to spy on iran. is there concern some of the things he's keeping secret really are not good for america's national security? >> that's certainly come up in the conversations i have seen amongst folks today after the story was published yesterday. in theory the white house could make these phone calls and meetings available to the public to be more transparent about what the president is doing instead of after the fact, after the story was reported saying no, no, no, it's not that he's not working. he's taking hundreds of calls and doing these meetings and ...