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But we don't see the results of that. and when mohammed bin salman came to the united states several months ago earlier this year, you know, he was selling himself as this great liberalizer. and i think that a lot of folks in the media kind of accepted that and a lot of people in government wanted to believe that that was the case. but we have no indication that's true at all. >> jason rezaian, thank you for coming on to talk about this story, and keep talking about it until we get some resolution. thank you so much. >> thanks. the president using brett kavanaugh's swearing in as just anothe...

>> jared kushner and crown prince mohammed bin salman have a close relationship. trump himself even tweeted his support of the crown prince's crackdown on rival saudi royalty. is the crown prince emboldened to do whatever he wants because of those ties? >> well, i don't know if he's emboldened because of those ties. they have a long and checkered history inside that country. >> they certainly don't hurt, though. >> well, and we've been led to believe that the kingdom of saudi arabia is under this massive set of reform programs. but we don't see the results of that. and when mohammed bin salman...