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Win three out of four elections and then not open debate. it will be a tie tanic amount of hypocrisy. >> you'd rather them open the debate and vote no than not -- >> yes. you cannot not debate this. but the hypocrisy would be monument al. >> it's interesting to me how many people believe that the decision about bringing the vote to the floor is the vote to watch. that why would -- let's say if cap i toe, portman, heller, murkowski, they all decide to put out a joint statement, none of them want to own, this bill isn't ready. >> right. >> this bill isn't ready. what is the impact of that? >> we...

Necessarily on thisic it issue. i did speak with secretary price about this and, again, conveyed my concern that i've just stated that, you know, we're concerned about the -- on the medicaid a fairly significant rewrite of medicaid and a process that really doesn't go through the normal process for a bill to be written for input and analysis to be done. you know, i haven't -- in fairness, i've not seen the scoring yet, which we'll see that next week, but just a general concern, i'm a process person and i'm concerned about the process that we're using. >> great obamacare in alaska. has this bee...

It might be a med i vac to get out. could be a cost of 50,000 to 150,000. so alaska is very unique in many regards, so we try to take that into consideration. >> what is something you say it could be improved upon. so if obamacare ends up staying in place, what changes do you need to make it work better? >> well, we need to make sure we have something that will bring down our costs and so we're looking at certainly doing things internally as a state because we feel that's certainly our obligation, but also areas that the federal government can help as well. you know, we don't have a lot of cho...

What i'm struck with and granted governor he doesn't want to see any of it go away, but nobody is excited about this bill. you don't find anybody that says it is all, look, it's not what i'm looking for, but i'm going to support it. >> there has been not one positive message. >> pat toomey might be the only one that's happy because he got that one provision on medicaid. >> but we learned this in 2009, 2010. democrats spent so much political capital getting that across the finish line. people are going to be so excited they're going to have access to health care and by the way, it doesn't get k...

Are the party in power and you own the health care issue and you do something with it, you are responsible for everything that goes wrong with everybody's health care. >> aren't you responsible -- >> don't the republicans own it already? no, they absolutely do own it already. >> do you think they own it if it's obamacare in place no matter what? >> yes, 100%. they're in power. they own the issue and so if -- whether or not you were directly affected by obamacare changes or medicaid changes, your premiums go up, are your coverage goes down, you're going to be mad, and you're going to be mad at ...