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Vengeance. so mccarthy is all about vengeance. i have to tell you, anderson, what really struck me after listening to mccarthy yesterday and then hearing him today is that yesterday he took to the floor of the house, and he said what the democrats were doing was an abuse of power, and then today he promised that if he were to become speaker he would do exactly the same thing. so he's effectively saying well, okay, an eye for an eye, but i accuse them of abusing power, but when i do it it won't be abusing power. it's hard to understand. >> kirsten, what does it say about the party that republic...

It's hard to understand. >> kirsten, what does it say about the party that republicans like gosar and greene have become elevated and yet liz cheney and 13 who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, some of whom are now getting death threats, are shunned and practically ex-communicated? >> well, it shows you where the seat of power is in this party, and i think that you hear kevin mccarthy saying these things because he is afraid, particularly of marjorie taylor greene, who has made noises about leading a revolt against him. so he is saying this to try to appease her and keep her off of...