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Think it helps move this along. >> and the effect of that talk in 2009 was that he tragically made himself i think -- i'm sure he regrets this now -- sit on the sidelines for ten days because he talked himself into being nice to the iranian ray gem when there was a genuine democratic uprising. one of the biggest mistakes. >> did not seek american support. actually urged us to keep our distance. >> it seeked american rhetorical support. >> no, it did not. [ overlapping speakers ] >> iranian dissidents i talked to would have liked the president of the united states -- >> we have a difference on ...

To would have liked the president of the united states -- >> we have a difference on that. >> the point is that america intervening hurts them. if they're seen as an instrument of america -- >> we didn't intervene in the greet muffment is doing just great in iran right now. >> it's not our fault that we didn't. but cornell is right. in the inaugural address in 2008 he said we will extend our hand if you will unclench your fist. his point was, and he is right, either with syria or with iran, you can't do a deal if you're not going to talk to people. and in this case, we have to explore every co...