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A former fbi official. katherine mug -- mulligan. it seems the justice department has become the president's weapon. he just used barr to do anything he wants, go after brennen. brennen doesn't like me, i don't like him, let's go hurt him. >> i mean, this is not what the justice department is supposed to be doing. i mean, if there is a real concern about anything that may have happened, that concern is most appropriate to be explored by the inspector general. and if there's a criminal referral, which we don't have in this case, then it makes sense for it to move to a u.s. attorney, not the oth...

On with all these meetings. how do you call that criminal to investigate that? >> it's hard to make sense of this. katherine is right. i'm a former i.g. and former federal prosecutor, so i've been on both sides of that. so what it appears durham is doing, it appears whatever he's doing should really be done by a combination of the doj i.g., we've seen his report and then the. c.i.g. if concerns go beyond the fbi and other intelligence agencies. and if and only if the. g.s find evidence of a crime, then the referral is made to the rest of it attorney with jurisdiction. >> jurisdiction is a grea...

>> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump. he's been trying to undermine the intelligence community's assessment that russia interfered on behalf of his campaign in 2016 in that election since the very beginning of his administration. it's been his white whale. i got to get those people, calling for an investigation of the investigators is what he says. he got what he wanted in october when the justice department led by a loyal trumper, bill barr, the ag, announced a criminal investigation into the origins of the russia probe. and for trump this killed multiple birds with one sto...

Joined right now by greg bahher, a former fbi official. your thoughts about this. it seems the justice department has become the president's weapon. he just used barr to do anything he wants, go after brennen. brennen doesn't like me, i don't like him, let's go hurt him. >> this is not what the just s department is supposed to be doing. if there's a real concern about anything that may have happened, that concern is most appropriate to be explored by the inspector general. and if there's a criminal referral, which we don't have in this case, then it makes sense for it to move to a u.s. attorne...

Figures involved in this it seems like it was probable cause or whatever, prima facie evidence. there was something fishy going on with all these meetings. how do you call that criminal to investigate that? >> katrina's right, i'm a former i.g. and i'm a former federal prosecutor, so i've been on both sides of that. so what it appears durham is doing, it appears whatever he's doing should really be done by a combination of the doj i.g., we've seen his report and then the ici. g. and then if and only if the i.g.'s find evidence of a crime, then referrals is made to the relevant u.s. attorney wi...