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Person, somebody, and say you know what? this didn't work. fire somebody, maybe high profile, kathleen sebelius is very nervous about her standing with the president. >> greg, do you think it actually might be a worse punishment to have to stay and try to fix it than to be fired? >> yeah, and why -- why her? because she's not -- her name isn't on the bill. sebelius makes louis learner look like florence nightingale. she's worse for your health than lizzie borden. took an ax to a lot of people allegation health care. she's a bad lady. >> she -- inside the fire? >> you are so fire. >> remember l...

Changes like that. >> yeah. >> and i would not for a minute take that to the bank. >> eric, do you think she deserves to be fired? >> yeah. here's why. let them see where i stand. you're president of exxon, you're in charge of refining. >> okay. >> bob's in charge of exploration. i'm in charge of transportation. greg's in charge of r&d. if all my pipelines leak at once, they're not going to fire you, the shareholders aren't going to say, dana, you blew it. they're going to say dana what are you going to do about it? you're going to say, i'm firing the pipe line guy. all his pipelines leaked. k...

Obama care even more painful for the people that are now being forced to buy it. >> you know, i was -- >> he's got a problem because he thinks he's the winner. he's like, i'm the winner. now he wants to -- >> what i -- with the technology people now they do have an interesting thing working. you're going to see the apple people come in, all these people come in. the problem of course is you get this surge of technology. you ever sat around with a bunch of those people? they're boring. they're not creative. >> what's the incentive for them to help? why? >> because big obama supporters. >> why? ...

Available that's able to do the job and deliver a service. >> absolutely. >> here's something else. greg, greg don't worry. >> i just want to make a point and i'm not fanning the phrase i'm just saying glitches are what happened to your cable system. it shouldn't happen to your colon so we should stop using the word glitches. i also want to make a point about the media. ezra klein said the flaws that we're talking about now had been obscured. it wasn't obscured to us. anybody with common sense, and who understands history, saw what was coming. the media missed the story because they weren't co...

To delay rulemaking to make obama care even more painful for the people that are now being forced to buy it. >> you know, i was -- >> he's got a problem because he thinks he's the winner. he's like, i'm the winner. now he wants to -- >> what i -- with the technology people now they do have an interesting thing working. you're going to see the apple people come in, all these people come in. the problem of course is you get this surge of technology. you ever sat around with a bunch of those people? they're boring. they're not creative. >> what's the incentive for them to help? why? >> because bi...