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Reform in south africa, but the white nationalists who propagate it have taken what is a genuinely thorny issue and magnified it beyond all objective facts, twisting it into what they see as a nightmare cautionary tale of white genocide. joining me, host of msnbc's "politics nation" and present of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, and national security correspondent for npr, greg myrie. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming. i want to get some basic facts laid out before we really dig into this. and that is that south africans, black south africans were legally barred from...

Confederate statutes. but when you really think about this, on a global scale, from a global perspective, katie, you've got the land of mandela being maligned by the president of the united states on a plan that has not even been fully formulated. this is insulting. he -- nothing is sacred to him, to try to get people's minds off of what he's doing. >> greg, for foreign policy, do you have any thoughts about what this would mean for the president? >> well, the united states does not have an ambassador to south africa right now. and if it did, the ambassador or the state department could explai...

Of this farmland are getting murdered by blacks because they -- it's a racist thing and it's a hate-filled crime, not entirely correct and not so easy to define, right, greg? >> exactly. south africa has a terrible crime problem. its victims are black and white, urban and rural. south african farmers, as the few people in rural areas who do have resources, they tend to have cash and guns and cars, are therefore a target. and so, yes, they are victims of crime. but it seems that it is very prosaic criminal actions rather than any sort of racially based attacks in the main. >> so, what's the pre...

First lady. reverend al sharpton and greg myrie, gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll be right back. and i'm still going for my best even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm up for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. so what's next? seeing these guys. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a...