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How did the world come into being. you have a trite have a belief but you have to put down the answer to the exam, and if they say she doesn't have the right to have her belief system, that's a different issue. >> that's what they say. >> well -- >> you're in agreement because they say she does not have a right to this belief and she has to change her beliefs. >> okay, greg. >> i think erin would back me up and say her belief system is supposed to be put to one side. >> why don't we stop there. >> is that true? would you agree with that? >> in the counseling profession, as in the medical profe...

Free speech. augusta state says it doesn't discriminate. it helps client clarify their current feelings and behaviors and help them reach the goals they set for themselves, not to dictate what goals they should be, what morals they should possess or adopt. jennifer keaton is backed by the defense fund. erin morris is here and joining us live from washington, and here in atlanta, greg nevts, an attorney for land of legal let's go ahead and start with jeffrey. why do you believe jennifer is being held to a different standard because of her christian beliefs. >> it's very clear that all she did h...

Children or whatever it is that the counselor educator feels is going to be lacking and making that person an effective counselor able to work with all populations which is at the basis of counseling. >> to be accredited by the state, you've got to follow the code of ethics. greg, i got to get you to weigh in here. sorry, i'm trying to clarify this. it's an interesting discussion here trying to weed through all of the details. let me ask you, greg, your concerns to having someone with jennifer's views as a counselor. >> well, the problem is that, you know, many people, especially young people ...

These students telling them they have to change their religious beliefs, that they are wrong. >> greg, weigh in. >> that's ridiculous. is there any evidence that augusta state is it taking a different position towards an anti-gay person who is not basing it on their religious beliefs? that would be religious discrimination. if she were being singled out and somebody else said i don't want to deal with gay people because i think they're awful. that would be religious discrimination. >> she has never said -- >> we want to make sure there is a proper counseling environment for people in a vulnera...