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Right call for the blacks to be in the back of the bus, for women to be in the kitchen, to gays to be in the closet and immigrants on their side of the border. nice to see you, ralph. >> good to be with you. >> greta: i'm curious what you think of the pastor's words. >> i'd love to tell you i'm surprised, but i'm really not. if you look at these so-called mainline, i would call them side line denominations, they're really been shrinking in both size and proportion of the faithful in the united states. for the better part of four decades, they used to represent roughly 30% of america's adult po...

Collapsed, stockton suffered more than any other place and made all of these investments, that this was going to go on forever and it found itself in a really, really bad situation. >> greta: i'm always curious when everything looks so great and everyone is flush with cash and i'm curious, are the people who set the pensions back at the time that it will look so great and either making bad government decisions or bad economic predictions? are they themselves now getting these pensionses and receiving sort of the fruits of their bad judgment? >> yeah, well, there's a lot of blame to spread arou...

>> today, a california judge ruling the city of stockton can file for bankruptcy and most of its creditors if they're lucky will get pennies on the dollar, but get this, the city's giant pension plan that helped them get in bankruptcy will not be touched and stockton will have to pay 900 million to workers. and evan, good news or bad news for stockton that petition in bankruptcy has been accepted? >> it's probably good news. that's what stockton wanted. >> greta: they've had a lot of problems. what's happened to stockton? >> what happened, they assumed that they would have revenue in the real ...

Wanted? and the story begins with the agriculture department, involves a lot of lobbyists. >> greta: what did they do? they got the money and then found some money? >> there's one group that managed to give money back, think of it as sequester proofing. got extra money and the sequester could take it away and at the end they had to have the money they had before. >> greta: and i don't think that the meat prt 6789 inspeblther? >> it was a campaign buy. when everybody else before the security hit maybe we'll get rid of it. usda secretary was out early and not only, he thought it was going to aff...

Frustrated 100% of the time. listen, the reason our founding fathers wanted a limited government they realize that as the government grew our freedoms receded. they were not efficient and effective and we've got to return to the founding principles and limit the federal government, govern closely. and mccaskill and others are geing on board, i can't imagine anyone wants to see anyone strangled by regulations and i assume that fundamentally people want to make this go better? >> the wonderful thing about anecdotal stories, it puts a human face on the abuse and it's almost impossible not to feel...