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Goal was to cut the deficit in half. now he doesn't care, he doesn't produce a budget. i bet you he spends more time filling out his march madness bracket than filling out the budget. >> greta: i think the staff filling out the budget in all fairness. i mean, i don't understand why -- i know that we have problems with continuing resolution and sequestration so there's some complexity to writing a budget, but if the house and senate can get a budget together in spite of all the stuff going on, why can't the president? >> there's no excuse. he came to the state of the union and laid out to the a...

A and-- >> he could make a budget and very well do that. >> you don't want to put on paper what his vision is because the american public would not support it if it's on paper. >> greta: is his vision vastly different from the senate budget committee? >> for the democrats? >> yes. >> i think it's going to be different, but the democrats are going to raise another trillion dollars. it will never balance. his will never balance. our balances in ten years, that's a fundamental difference. one important thing is balancing. another important thing is why do you balance? why do you balance? because ...

Apparently it's -- i mean, nobody has much record for it from who is residing in the white house. >> i think it's a key responsibility of any elected official first to do a budget. >> greta: i don't disagree with you. >> i think he avoids it for political reasons, he's waiting until the house does theirs and passes it. the only reason the senate democrats are doing it now because we passed no budget no pay. and what did pelosi say about it? she disagreed with it. she didn't think it was dignified. i think it's not dignified if you don't do your job. >> greta: i think it's terrible that we have...

What have you, one of those is a universal service fund. that's where the money comes from to fund this program. >> greta: all right, now, look, i mean, without even getting to whether it's a good program or a bad program, it's clear the 41% who don't qualify shouldn't be getting a phone. if you get a phone and you're not supposed to have it and you use it, i mean, you're essentially stealing. i mean, or you applied for one and lie on the application, saying you're below the federal poverty level. that's also a crime. >> sure. >> greta: we have all of this waste and fraud with $902 million a y...

Abuse is throughout this program. so people getting 10, 20, 30, even 40 cell phones in my district, a television station interviewed one of my constituents who said on camera, well, i paid for one phone and i keep a free one as a backup, just in case. and so there's been a lot of -- there have been a lot of problems with this program, but beyond that, i think the issue is where do we draw the line? it would be great if everybody had an ipad. are we going to buy everyone with ipad. >> greta: some are worse than others, and i looked deeper and the federal communication commission, that's the gov...