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From isis, and i'd love to see us do it, if we take the ground back, who do we turn it over to for the occupation? >> we're going to see a long-term presence of american advisers supporting iraqi and kurdish ground forces to occupy that territory for probably a generation to come. >> what country gets sovereignty over it? >> iraq. >> iraq government led by shia take over sunni territory? would that work? >> it does and will as long as the shia-dominated government continues to provide legal protections to the sunnis. hopefully it's learned its lesson. >> that's a hopeful line. what do you thin...

Without making this an american war? >> i don't think we need much more than 15,000. i do think americans will die in that effort and i think this effort is so important that that price is worth maying. >> when we take the ground back from isis and i'd love to see us do it if we take the ground back who do we turn it over to for the occupation? >> we're going to see a long-term presence of american advisers supporting iraqi and kurdish ground forces to occupy that territory for probably a generation to come. >> what country gets sovereignty over it? >> iraq. >> iraq government led by shia take...

Shutdown. it hurt them very bad. and they got some of that ground back, because of the problems with the obama care website and all of that. and i think they really feel like they don't want to lose -- >> they don't want that again. >> yeah. >> as an economist, is there any kind of substantiative argument to not extend emergency unemployment for the long-term unemployed under these conditions? >> there's no argument whatsoever. this is the craziest thing i've seen. as you said, they got the doc fix in, they're not taking care of the unemployed. not giving them additional checks actually hurts,...

You've got some other folks who were definitely in what was called the suicide caucus by charles krauthammer. they were voting for it as well. is this a kind of breaking point for the power of that caucus? >> i think so. yoho, from michigan, who's been a reliable rank and file conservative vote, these guys have finally found the moment where they can step away from heritage action and some of these other outside organizations and find a way to operate a little bit. i think, you know, they saw what happened with the government shutdown. it hurt them very bad. and they got some of that ground ba...

You've got some other folks who were definitely in what was called the suicide caucus by charles krauthammer. they were voting for it as well. is this a kind of breaking point for the power of that caucus? >> i think so. yoho, from michigan, who's been a reliable rank and file conservative vote, these guys have finally found the moment where they can step away from heritage action and some of these other outside organizations and find a way to operate a little bit. i think, you know, they saw what happened with the government shutdown. it hurt them very bad. and they got some of that ground ba...