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We now have three presidents discovering that. if you read through the lines of what general mattis is saying, i suppose we should steel ourselves for sort of a modest uptick in our engagement there. you're right to point out in the preamble, jim, different from what the president ran on, but here he is president. his generals saying, whoa. bad things will happen if we just pull out precipitously. so here we are. >> hmm. now, if it is -- again, a big "if," a modest uptick in forces that wouldn't be too different. virtually identical to what president obama did when he came in office and was fo...

First, voss, al qaeda the concern and then follow jon groups, corazon group, and now in addition isis getting a foothold there. what does success look like in afghanistan? a question the president has to answer as well. >> as you know, jim, no satisfying result. every scenario we can dream up is awful. and frankly, we're not the only ones to experience that. the russians did. 9 br the briss did and whoever comes after us will likely discover it, too. >> ben, i want to ask you this -- the president is in a weakened position. in recent weeks, not just because of charlottesville but a declining a...

Easier than when you're in the office and realize whether your name is obama or donald trump, the reality on the ground. when you start getting briefings and understanding exactly how great the consequences can be from can from pulling out too quickly and isis operating in these parts of the world, you're probably pretty correct looking tat from the standpoint, seems to be at least a telegraph to the president. he understand, if we're not involved in this part of the world, by default, we'll have to be later on. the more ground isis gains, and more safe havensen a problem for ourselves and for...

Forces back on the ground and change the mission of u.s. forces from the train and advise and assist into actually ground combat again. and we may see a hybrid decision. we may see american combat forces going into that, the isis corazon area, southeast of jalalabad, to take that out. i think they regard that as one of the priorities of this and continue the training and assist mission. i think the president will take a really hard line. doing this for 16 years. what do we have to show for it? still haven't create add credible afghan force, the government in shambles, an ongoing civil war and ...

Afghanistan is going and what the threat is there. is the president weakened as he makes a decision and speaks to the nation on an issue like afghanistan tomorrow night as a result of that? >> i really don't think so. i think most americans understand that there's a real threat. when you see just the videos that have happened over the last week with the attacks we've seen around the world, one thing people understand is, there is always a real threat from al qaeda and isis and other terrorist groups. when you have a president that comes out and talks about the threats, most people want to know...