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For mueller to go away. >> i know enough at this point in the conversation to call in a lawyer. all right, counselor, it's your turn. is there anything in robert mueller's category, in his character or background, that you think would agree to this kind of ground rule? >> you know, he might agree to some ground rules but i don't see him agreeing to the ones that have been reported. he does hold all the cards here and doesn't really need to give a lot of concessions. the idea he would agree to a time limit, for example, i just don't see that happening at all. in cases like this, there's always ...

>> this is a president who doesn't handle anything like prior presidents and air force one and talking to reporters is no exception. it does happen from time-to-time, particularly on foreign trips, the presidents come back on air force one. the ground rule is, it's off the record. we push for it to be on the record. particularly with this president, since he's held so few news conferences, there's a need to push back against those things. he wanted to stay and have a conversation. the reporters in the press pool engaged in that conversation. we are willing to honor those ground rules. he said,...

That answer. i'm like, why am i sitting here? do you want my real opinion or not? all throughout the rest of the interview, i'm taunting him. are you going to keep this in, ted? are you going to add that in? are you going to edit that, ted? of course they don't want to air that part. >> sean, next time au to do one of these interviews, you have to have your own crew there videoing and then you say, ok, let's both video it just for fun. if they don't -- then you release the whole thing. that has to be your ground rule going in. >> sean: you're right. my mistake. >> isn't that sad? but it does. ...

Substantive answer and he said i'm not going to air that answer. you want my real opinion or not? why am i sitting here? i'm taunting him for the rest of the interview, are you going to edit that out, ted? of course they are not. they don't want to hear that part. >> what you have to do next time, if you ever agree, you have to have your own crew -- videoing. and saying list is both video it just for fun and then you release the whole thing. that has to be your ground rule. isn't that sad? the same thing with phone interviews. having permission to also tape this because i cannot trust you to d...

Sort of the podium and as you enter what we call lower press where the deputy press secretary sit. that door is typically open during business hours here at the white house. reporters can go back there. they can talk to deputy press secretaries. try to get answers to their questions. there's even a hallway that goes from that office up to the white house press secretary's office so during the obama administration, wolf, as you know reporters could go in there and talk to deputy press secretaries but go past secret service that has a desk in that hallway and go up and talk to josh earnest, the ...