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If we did that, we would not just shoot down russian planes, we have to attack the s 400 anti aircraft missiles, just across inside russia. we'd have to engage russian ground units who then fired on our core aircraft. it would clearly lead to direct war with russia. >> and tom, that's the part that no one who's advocating the so-called no-fly zone ever addresses. >> yeah, there is more to a no-fly zone and simply shooting down bad guys who might be bothering good guys. you don't put your pilots in the air and just look around and hope for the best. you're going to have to suppress army air def...

Refugees who are out, or the hundreds of thousands displaced, but millions of ukrainians right now are under active attack, living in basements trying to survive, running out of food, turning off the electrical grid so it's a humanitarian disaster of the first order. when you move to the no-fly zone debate, i think to be blunt, it's irresponsible to push president biden and nato to carry out that action. militarily, we could do it. the u.s. air force cannot be competed with running an air cap over ukraine, particularly if it was joined by nato air forces. if we did that, we would not just shoo...

Performance will russian air force which is not been a major part of this fight. i would have to say, i was shocked. i assume they'll go after the ukrainian air force. but, two thirds of the ukrainian air force is still flying against supposedly a superpower. i still think the big problem for the ukrainians is a stepping fired from the ground, at ground units, and civilians rather than what's coming from fighter jets or fighter-bombers. >> charles, to bring you into this. whether or not it is the thing that what turned the tide the most. do you foresee the united states 's finding some way to ...

Germany. if we did that, we would not just shoot down russian planes, we have to attack the s 400 anti aircraft missiles, just across inside russia. we'd have to engage russian ground units who then fired on our core aircraft. it would clearly lead to direct war with russia. >> and tom, that's the part that no one who's advocating the so-called no-fly zone ever addresses. >> yeah, there is more to a no-fly zone and simply shooting down bad guys who might be bothering could guess. you don't put your pilots in the air and just loiter around and hope for the best. you're going to have to suppress...

Catastrophe of the humanitarian disaster, in ukraine. this would have been the nato, or usc, unilateral, air intervention. not with some nonsense about no-fly zone's over a humanitarian corridor, but to go after the russian air force, and go after the ground units. i don't think that president biden thinks that is feasible, politically, and a military perspective. the u.s. armed forces, and nato, in particular, could do that. i don't think that is going to happen. we are going to have a very horrible situation, that is getting worse, rapidly. >> president biden may not think it is feasible, bu...