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Children and women. >> charles, i want to ask that question. given what you seen, do you agree with this? that jets would allow them to stop the slaughter? >> the problem is most of the damage being done is by units from the ground. they are getting hit by missiles and artillery. i don't want a second guess the ukrainian parliament are presidents and look for. they want these jets first to keep their skies clear. as a symbol of commitment. commitment from the west to get those jets to them. in terms of things that are actually causing death and distraction, those jets would have to go after gr...

The colonel said for a conflict to go on for weeks, months, years? >> yeah. i think it has surprised a lot of western analysts. you heard from american officials that the russians could be in kyiv in two days and then control a lot of the country but that wasn't the case. and i think we overestimated and vladimir putin did the capacity out russian military and the air war is a great example of that. we wouldn't go to an invasion without controlling the air space first. first control the air space. they didn't do that. the russians didn't do that. they used close air action combat support from ...

This would have been the nato, or usc, unilateral, air intervention. not with some nonsense about no-fly zone's over a humanitarian corridor, but to go after the russian air force, and go after the ground units. i don't think that president biden thinks that is feasible, politically, and a military perspective. the u.s. armed forces, and nato, in particular, could do that. i don't think that is going to happen. we are going to have a very horrible situation, that is getting worse, rapidly. >> president biden may not think it is feasible, but do you? >> well, from a military perspective, of cou...

Of this offensive. now, the deliberate piece of this that secretary austin talked about. that is the belief that they will -- the russians will learn from their mistakes. a couple of major ones. one was logistics. we heard a lot about that for weeks, that they couldn't feed and provide fuel to their troops. the concern is that they will learn from that and they will figure that out for the next line of offense here. another one is their command and control and their communications. and a simple way of putting that is the russians during this first several weeks they weren't communicating well ...

0 to see this entirely different set of arguments played around the same set of facts in this case. thank you for covering it, and thank you for being with us for the hour. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." katy tur has more news now. >> in a facebook post, february 16th, we were told will be the day of the attack, and we will make it a day of unity. we will hang national flags, wear blue and yellow ribbons and show our unity. again, this is from president zelensky, the president of ukraine in a facebook post to ukrainens, telling them that february 16th will be t...