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With this administration. they're going to need all those numbers, or democratic cross overs which are going to become less likely. >> right. the biggest driving force that might get something to the finish line to the president's desk is just this political desperation that republicans feel to pass something. it may not be tax reform, it may just be some sort of tax cut. >> some non-gorsuch measure before the end of 2017. >> we'll see how that plays out. but the politics of this are very interesting for republicans. i talked to some so-called establishment conservatives who watched this trump...

See bannon and the trump-styled candidates, those sorts of people filling this growing vacuum, and the old republican party, the gop, you know, that may be a thing of the past. >> heidi, about the party, do you see this -- i heard a lot of commentary today that this party is splitting in half. >> i think that we are not going to see this happen. i think it will happen, but i think we're not going to see it happen until the tax cut experiment is completed. and then i think you're definitely going to see bannon fulfill his promise of recruiting candidates to try and take out not only additional ...

This point willing to say these things and stay in the fight. they look at this party and they see bannon and the trump-styled candidates, those sorts of people filling this growing vacuum, and the old republican party, the gop, you know, that may be a thing of the past. >> heidi, about the party, do you see this -- i heard a lot of commentary today that this party is splitting in half. >> i think that we are not going to see this happen. i think it will happen, but i think we're not going to see it happen until the tax cut experiment is completed. and then i think you're definitely going to s...