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As not to endanger himself. i think that's a really good point. >> look, people lost their minds a week ago when mueller's indictment -- when the indictment of the gru agent said something happened on the same day that he called out to the russians to find hillary's e-mails. well, i mean, really? is that how the russians are going to work? like, a guy is going to make an open speech, and say, boy, i wish you'd find those e-mails. >> explain that timing then. >> i can't. they've got to be better at it than that. >> explain that timing. >> i can't, but he -- >> on that day. that day is the day t...

How important could such a meeting be? >> we're kind of stacking these meetings up. this is in the face of campaign that said it has no contacts with the russians at any time. you have stone with his most recent report. stone predicting the dumping of the pedesta e-mails. don junior and jared kushner having meeting with a russian lawyer who promised russian dirt on hillary clinton. meeting with someone we believe to be a gru agent. there may be explanations for any, some or all of these but there's an awful lot of contacts. >> there are stacking up like cord woord. thank you very much. appreci...

It. and our political system in particular is so picked over by political science and all of these open source things that they could have just become expert enough to do it on their own without any american con fed rat -- confederates? >> well we know that russian intelligence cutouts on the giu, like the 2.0 persona, a gru agent, reached out to u.s. persons both inside the trump inner circle but also to a political operative in florida in order to elicit information and also to share information. it is inconceivable to me that the russian apparatus would not have reached out to individuals i...

All over the world, as you just described. it's what it considers to be its sphere of influence. it does this stuff. it is possible that they've just gotten so good at this over time and that our system is so open for anybody who wants to observe it. and our political system in particular is so picked over by political science and all of these open source things that they could have just become expert enough to do it on their own without any american confederates? >> well we know that russian intelligence cutouts for the gru, the russian intelligence military service, like the 2.0 persona, a g...

Spoken. but they say russian equipment requiring the russian expertise and some supervision. so we must have some pretty good evidence and it will be interesting to see if we make that public. presumably what we're talking about here, i'm imagining it's imagery from spy satellites, infrared kind of imagery that shows part of the trajectory and then the hit, when the missile hit the plane. >> "the new york times" is reporting today that it's another piece of potential evidence into russian's role. >> right. look, what is important to understand here, several things, the separatists took credit ...