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What they might be doing instead. so that's problematic for democrats but the solution is -- it seems -- get things done for the people who elected you. >> right. it's always the basics that trip politicians up and i think, you know, you are allowed by voters to maybe push the boundaries a little bit regardless of what your position s you're in congress, you are a school board member. if everything else is going well the streets are cleaned, et cetera, you're a mayor, you can maybe try new things, be more transformative, but when things aren't going well you can't. when i talk to republicans, ...

Dire. >> starting to move toward -- >> toward ukraine. >> what is it, though, that we could even offer to putin that would appease him? maybe appeasement is not the right word, but offer to him to bring him back from the brink? >> well, that's just it. at this point he has put some almost nonstarters on the table in terms of not having ukraine ever be a member of nato and other factors with regard to european security, but the u.s. still sees opportunities to cooperate with russia and they believe russia wants to cooperate on issues like nuclear arm amenity, on european security in general and...

Interesting because you had grudge wars taking place where the former president was trying to push these grudge wars, you know, bigger picture missouri is a little bit of a different scenario, but at the end of the day he's also sort of trying to support his underlying arguments with this notion that the 2020 election was illegitimate, that he was sort of duped out of winning the race. that seems to be waning with a lot of his supporters as well. so at the end of the day if president trump is not going to get into substantive issues and is going to base a lot of his endorsements mainly on grud...

Down, the ways in which distance learning didn't help their children that they dug in even deeper and now these other issues are coming to the fore. so it is a combination of those things, it's not one of those things, but because the basics weren't working now everything is getting questioned and i think that's the bigger challenge now, more on a local level for schools, but it does branch out for democrats broadly because -- >> it's a national messaging challenge for them. >> exactly. >> okay. on messaging, i'm just framing this because the former presidential nominee, hillary clinton, was b...

Believed. >> but the thing is that they don't necessarily have access to understand that these are false things. their government is telling them that these are legitimate videos and activities that they are seeing and what their government is telling them is true and so they believe it. ultimately the russian population, i mean, obviously now with the internet and kind of access to -- in the outside information, there is a burgeoning opposition to vladimir putin, but he has such a tight control over his country that it is so hard for anyone to say, wait a minute, i question what you're saying...