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Jeff sessions going to go to bat for donald trump with bob mueller or is jeff sessions going to stick the knife, the shiv right in donald trump's back? or tell the truth. i think he is going to tell the truth. >> that's a good point. the president has publicly done more than anything -- everything you could possibly imagine to taunt jeff sessions. >> yeah. he's insulted him. he's made fun of him. he has attacked him on twitter. but this is what i said, lawrence, a couple of weeks ago when i talked about grumble bragging from members of this administration. oh, it's so terrible to work for dona...

Threatened him, tried to get him to quit, just pummelled him publicly and now we know privately for 15 months. jeff sessions going to go to bat for donald trump with bob mueller or is jeff sessions going to stick the knife, the shiv right in donald trump's back? or tell the truth. i think he is going to tell the truth. >> that's a good point. the president has publicly done more than anything -- everything you could possibly imagine to taunt jeff sessions. >> yeah. he's insulted him. he's made fun of him. he has attacked him on twitter. but this is what i said, lawrence, a couple of weeks ago ...

It ebbs and flows over time. the trends are definitely down. >> but it's also spring and that's when you have -- spikes in immigration during this spring. >> the crisis at the border is not even an immigration crisis, that's a humanitarian crisis. >> they have presented it as an invasion. people swarming over the boarder to threaten society. where it's not that. they have shifted that whole story. >> and the conventional argument doesn't work. >> this says something about what's being signaled from the republican party. there's a great quote on twitter. when you hear kirsten nielson saying i a...