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Participating in. actually, she learned about the program in some detail a year after members of congress like nancy pelosi and others were briefed in detail on it. after 9/11. i would just say that john brennan, the number four c.i.a. who was confirmed with the vote of 64 bipartisan votes in the senate was number four at the c.i.a. whereas when she was there at this particular time, she was the equivalent of gs-15, roughly of major lieutenant colonel. obviously not a management person when it comes to running the c.i.a. but i think democrats are running out of excuses to block this highly qua...

Torture. so let me ask you a series of questions. first, were you involved in any way in the creation of the enhanced interrogation program? >> senator, i was not, and i was not read into the program until about a year into its existence. >> were you a senior manager at the cia at the time that the program was created? >> no. i had just returned from an overseas posting. i was a gs-15. i was not yet a member of the senior executive service. i was assigned as a deputy group chief. that's pretty far down the totem pole in a program that had nothing to do with the detention and interrogation prog...

Officer, hadn't done anything out of my duty and my reaction was to resign. you got the fbi -- >> why? >> it was just crazy. >> tell us -- i'm curious how did it feel? >> everything i did, i wrote up in memos and they were disappearing and once had the house took over, the intelligence -- this was under democratic administration as well. >> is this a clinton era? >> yeah. i said why stay around. g gs-15, you don't make a lot of money. you're being attacked for doing your job, why stick around. don't forget the fbi has got 90% of its resources devoted to counterterrorism and now they have to de...

Barrel. then the ranking of the civil service jobs goes all the way up from gs-1 to 2 to 3 all the way up to the top jobs, the very bottom level of the chart there, gs-14 and gs-15. then depending on your level of experience, once you are at that high ranking level as a government employee at the very top end with a civil service pay scale if you're in gs-14 or 15 with a lot of of experience you can make over $100,000 a year. being at the very top end of this scale, being a gs-14 or 15 is kind of a big deal if you work for the federal government. ana montes was a gs-14. she was a big deal. at ...

That's kind of the bottom of the barrel. then the ranking of the civil service jobs goes all the way up from gs-1 to 2 to 3 all the way up to the top jobs, the very bottom level of the chart there, gs-14 and gs-15. then depending on your level of experience, once you are at that high ranking level as a government employee at the very top end with a civil service pay scale if you're in gs-14 or 15 with a lot of of experience you can make over $100,000 a year. being at the very top end of this scale, being a gs-14 or 15 is kind of a big deal if you work for the federal government. ana montes was...