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Security and defense and we have got to weed these guys out and throw the ones in jail that are stealing taxpayers' money. >> christian, criminal activity, or stupidity? which is it at this point? >> depends which case you are talking about, the ice case is criminal activity and i hope controls are improved so it doesn't happen again and wayne your solution to shrink the size of government is a separate conversation and will not stop the problem. governments big and small are corrupt. you can give me tons of examples. >> get 'em all out. >> governments are corrupt and i lost $20 a couple of we...

The way, it doesn't have to do with that, whether an automobile or not. it has to do with the fact most of the money has been politically oriented and politicized, to the extent you have 13 companies that have received various kinds of tax incentives from the government. it has cost 2500 jobs and over $4 billion, in wasted money. that is the problem, is the fact that, and, by the way, 23 out -- let me finish, jonathan. 23 out of 27 people who got this money, were budonors to the present administration, a politicized thing and they got the money and because it became a thing for the government ...