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Will be much tougher for the russians to control this area. if they say they are controlling kherson, i would suggest they ain't controlling jack. if they can sustain their guerrilla operations that will fight them in this area. >> we have been looking more broadly at ukraine. there have been this increase in heavy weapons and targeting of civilians or being indiscriminate in how the weapons are being used, killing civilians. can you just take a look at what russia is being cost here. there is a formula when a nation goes to war of things you're trying to achieve. i found it very interesting t...

Surrender of ukraine. the ukrainian armed forces can combine with a growing -- a guerrilla movement to create a hybrid conflict and really trap the russian army in a vice between conventional-style attacks and guerrilla operations. and the russians simply don't have the troop numbers to overcome that sort of resistance. so i think this is going to get really bloody and the ukrainian cities are going to take the brunt of the russian firepower in the days and weeks to come. but this war could go on for months and even years if the diplomatic and political situation does not change. >> let me ask...