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Security clearance of a former cia director as a pawn in his public relations strategy i think is just so refrektive of somebody that don't want to use this term many, but he is drunk on power. >> john brennan there in an exclusive interview with rachael maddow. the president says he is not attempting to silence brennan. >> if anything i'm giving him a bigger voice, many people don't even know who he is, now he has a bigger voice and that's okay, i like taking on voices like that. i never respected him. i never had a lot of respect -- >> joining us now, our guests guys, i want to go to malcolm...