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Theory for the first time that many of us were going after the story wrong, and the airing of the tape was a guiliani method of lessening cohen's value. in fact, in the piece you contributed to in "the times" tonight, i'm looking at this giuliani quote about lanny davis. "he's basically destroying his client as a witness because he really isn't a criminal lawyer, he's playing it like a shill as opposed to a lawyer. his whole theory, you bring it all out, that's great, but now the guy's ruined as a witness. what prosecutor is going to use him?" you see where i'm going, that it's diminishing of ...

It. and because of that, he feels wounded, he feels scared, he feels isolated and alone. this is according to his associates. and he's decided in the last few weeks to really, you know, at this point break from the president, break with him. and lanny davis is helping him do it. there's a lot of suspicionuspici brian, in the trump orbit, about lanny davis. this was somebody close to the clintons, he had a book party here in washington about his new book about the campaign and hillary clinton was a guest and spoke in his honor. there's a lot of suspicion around the president. >> matt, you were ...

Book about the campaign and hillary clinton was a guest and spoke in his honor. there's a lot of suspicion around the president. >> matt, you were last on this broadcast friday night when a reporter was proffering the theory for the first time that many of us were going after the story wrong, and the airing of the tape was a guiliani method of lessening cohen's value. in fact, in the piece you contributed to in "the times" tonight, i'm looking at this giuliani quote about lanny davis. "he's basically destroying his client as a witness because he really isn't a criminal lawyer, he's playing it ...