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Under 21. ban on large capacity magazines and ban on bump stops. one year after that, according to johns hopkins university, a 27% decrease in vermont gun deaths. one year. >> in 2021, there was audio tape of top brass at nra discussing whether or not to talk about this, to cancel a convention in the wake of the columbine shooting. listen to this. >> i got to tell you, we got to think this thing through because if we duck tail and run, we'll be accepti ing responsibility f kw what happened out there. >> there's one gun argument. if you don't appear to be honoring the dead, you end up being a t...

At the time the last big gun case was heard, it was voted 5-4. now we have the addition of two trump justices that are hostile to any restriction on gun rights. yes, the court has shifted to the right. we are all living in its shadow. >> cynthia, what will you watch? what will you be listening to pick up on with the abortion argument and the gun argument? >> well, in the abortion case, the abortion case is technically about the sneaky procedure used by the state of texas to shield review. technically, it is about procedure, but the elephant in the room is the justices looking for a way, in my ...

About these calls? >> we do and we should, but we have been doing this in 2008, it's more complicated since he has been gone for it here's a low-hanging fruit we could do right away, the cartels have been shown, 70% of the guns they have come from the u.s. and mexico has much stronger gun control laws. >> shannon: it's not working. >> that's true. in other words, if we would say for instance, pass the background check bill and take a few other steps, that would be getting out a really important piece of this. we should be part of the solution. it's a tough problem and we can't march in there, ...

Shannon: if we are talking about us citizens we do have some involvement with mexican authorities but what do you think of these calls for taking the next step? >> we do it we should but we've been doing this where we are talking in 2008, it is now more complicated in sin a lower since guzman has been gone but here's the real low hanging fruits we could do right away. the cartels have been shown 70% of the guns they have come from the us, mexico is much weaker, stronger gun-control laws. >> it is not working. >> in other words if we would say for instance pass the background check bill that is...

To be the last mass shooting. i was watching the news unfold on monday, i woke up in the morning wondering how another one of these mass shootings could have happened wondering what happened in el paso could have possibly happened again, and then i learned there was a shooting in dayton of a similar, horrendous size. i started to learning about it. i tried to cry. i don't think i can do that anymore. i've cried for too many people this year. i looked at southernland springs and i looked at how the shooter was shot several times before leaving. and i explored the good old fashioned good guy wit...