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Of them own half of that. actually don't own guns i should say. and that is who is deciding the fate of people like the ones who lost their lives just yesterday at a florida high school. now you tell me if that makes any sense at all. let's discuss. rich laurie is here, editor of "the national review." cnn political commentator joan walsh. what's your reaction? >> i think you're looking at this totally from the wrong perspective. let's take paul ryan for instance. i'm sure -- almost certain he was pro-gun rights even before he thought about running for congress. so the idea all the republicans...

Agree. near not secret gun controllers. they have. >> you're saying they have been bought off they must not agree with the position. >> they are now kept. i i don't know how they started but they are kept. >> do you know the definition of conflict of interest. >> no, look. >> no you don't. >> no, no, no you believe none of these people are sincere some of them think the second amendment. >> i never said they weren't sincere. >> here is what i'm saying. i put the information out there. did you hear what i said facts first. >> right. >> but what -- what okay i'll -- >> if you think that getting....

Actually don't own guns i should say. and that is who is deciding the fate of people like the ones who lost lives just yesterday at a florida high school. now you tell me if that makes any sense at all. let's discuss now, rich lawyery the editor of national review. cnn political commentator joan walsh. >> i think you're looking at this totally from the wrong perspective. let's take paul ryan for instance. i'm sure -- almost certain he was pro gun rights even before he taut about running for congress. so the idea all the republicans are secret gun controllers and just have been bought off to go...

>> that is not true, the facts do not show that. >> semiautomatic weapons, that's a basic technology. if you want to ban all semiautomatic weapons, that's an enormous prohibition. to have it make any difference you'd have to go and confiscate them -- >> that's not what anyone is saying, no one is saying -- >> it's a contradiction. >> it's not a contradiction. i said to have a conversation, to talk about it, to actually do something about it. i gave you facts about what most americans want. most americans want a ban on semiautomatic weapons. >> that doesn't make -- polling doesn't -- see, there...

Gun stores. people who own guns care about it. will commit their money on this issue as we saw. there was a huge increase in the purchase of guns after the president began campaigning on behalf of gun control. so, i think the enthusiasm, the attachment to this issue, the intensity is infinitely higher on the gun rights side. and i think it would easily translate if it were a contest who can raise the most money over this, the democrats, the gun controllers would lose big time. >> chris: marah, you get to break the tie. >> i think that this is an issue that's important for both bases, so, yes, ...