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He has received from the nra. the nra is a treacherous point for those of us who believe in protecting lives above guns. revenue is what governs the nra and they are quite literally in the pockets of members of congress. until members of congress decide that our lives trump no, pun intended at all, we'll be in a really tough position. so it is hard to believe what he says. >> let's talk about that. the nra spent $3.2 million to support rubio in the last elections. tonight we saw him change his position in at least three gun issues. he says there. the age of people buying guns, articling teache...

These guys bend for the nra and other interest groups because they are spending millions of dollars on their campaigns. >> especially he was in a tough position, as we put up, the flar spent $3.28 million to support rubio in the last three years. . douglas brinkley i want to bring you in. because senator rubio said he will change raising the age at which can you buy a rifle. he is open to banning bump stocks and changed his position on a couple of -- it appears, a couple of gun issues. it wasn't an easy conversation. let's play a little bit of another one. and then we'll discuss. >> he was abl...

If i'm wayne la pierre and i say we support you, let's up the age limit, the president would get huge support for that. why wouldn't wayne lee pierre wouldn't give the president that? >> it's a head scratcher to me. earlier today i asked people who called in who are opposed to this. they say, i want to buy a gun and learn how to shoot. it doesn't prevent a family from lending its weapons an end teaching children how to learn. another person said i can join the military at 18. yes, then you get trained in weaponry. it's a head scratcher. donald trump, the populist president, is going to lead an...

But to the nra. >> bring them back. >> no, no, but to the nra, they take somebody with me who is seen as a ne ander that will among liberals on gun issues, they are sending the message and i'm not making this about me. i'm making this about anybody that wants to have a real debate. they're saying that i want to quote, destroy them. that i am a clear and present danger. they're saying other people like these children who were saying common sense gun laws and talking about background checks and talking about mental health, they're saying what you just said, that they're trying to come and take y...

Losing seats that might be on the edge. immigration issues, womens issues, now gun issues. they're stacking up. you're seeing that reflected in the social media world. >> you know, shep, as a former head prosecutor, it's not just legal analysis that used to drive us crazy. political correctness. whether it's left or right. we would say we need to do our job. please stop politicizing laws. give us something that we can prosecute, not regulations and rules that are enable to prosecute in a courtroom. it would seem politically, i'm just a lawyer and giving legal analysis. we would sit there when ...