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For 34 years. in australia, they were today they did a big report which re-emphasized they haven't had a massacre, a mass shooting in australia since 1996, since the port arthur massacre which led to them bringing in tuough gun control. when the gun protagonists, i don't mean ordinary law-abiding citizens who have a gun for self-defense at home. i'm talking about the more extreme gun protagonists. when they say the only answer, sandy, to any of these outrages is more guns, what do you think can be done to try and change that mentality? >> oh, of course you know that since we went to work for t...

Re-emphasized they haven't had a massacre, a mass shooting in australia since 1996, since the port arthur massacre which led to them bringing in tough gun control. when the gun protagonists, i don't mean ordinary law-abiding citizens who have a gun for self-defense at home. i'm talking about the more extreme gun protagonists. when they say the only answer, sandy, to any of these outrages is more guns, what do you think can be done to try and change that mentality? >> oh, of course you know that since we went to work for the brady campaign, we're staunch staunch advocates for the background che...