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Believed. that's the goal. >> so these rank and file people in the fbi that the president paid tribute to and sessions does all the time as you should, they've served the country, to say that they are doing their job and then to say but there shouldn't have been any surveillance of this guy carter page who is dealing back and forth with the russians. how can he have it both ways? >> your previous guest chuck rosenburg laid this out. it's the rank and file that helped compile this information. >> this thick. you have to do something like this to get a wiretap. >> you can't have it both ways. yo...

Believed. that's the goal. >> so these rank and file people in the fbi that the president paid tribute to and sessions does all the time as you should, they've served the country, to say that they are doing their job and then to say but there shouldn't have been any surveillance of this guy carter page who is dealing back and forth with the russians. how can he have it both ways? your. >> previous guest chuck rosenburg laid this out. it's the rank and file that helped compile this information. >> this thick. you have to do something like this to get a wiretap. >> you can't have it both ways. y...

Fisa application on carter page? who obviously decided that was the peg they could break this thing on? >> to be clear, i can't speak to the motives of the folks. what i can tell you, is that one person who obviously played a key role in this memo from the idea of putting it together looking at the intelligence, crafting the memo and perhaps most importantly pushing for the memo to be dispersed is a staffer named kash patel only working for announce on the committee since maybe april. >> where does he come from. >> before that, he worked in the national security division in the justice departm...

Collusion, fbi tainted.. and they use this crooked hillary pile of garbage as the basis of going after the trump campaign."he the regional campaign director for barack obama's presidential campaign, robin, this agent cooked up the dossier in a couple of weeks, and the fbi have been investigating for a year and a half and have been unable to confirm anythingea except that one guy carter page did get on the plane to russia at some point. otherwise after 18 months, all uncorroborated, do you think that the fbi should take another two years, three years, four years, five? >> i sure hope not, mark,...

Unequivocal about not knowing russians talking to russians, knowing anyone on the campaign talked to russians or had anything to do with russians. now there are ten people in the circle around donald trump who have previously undisclosed discussions or contacts with russians. >> and yet -- yet we still don't see anything that is more than raising questions. >> right. >> we don't have answers. >> absolutely. >> questions. questions, constant questions. in the case of sessions, context is everything. picture him sitting where you are, ali. >> right. >> and there are people all around him just as...