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It's worked in atoestonia and lithuania. people know what they're supposed to pay, and it leads to economic expansion. and that's the one thing this country needs right now is economic expansion, not this politics of envy. >> well, the answer is how we catch up to lithuania. i mean, john, i have to tell you, there's been a progressive tax in this country under reagan, under roosevelt, under every -- under eisenhower. >> and look what it's done. it's screwed up -- >> we've been the most successful economy in the world. right now we're having a hard time. whether you change your tax system in a ...

He had the good -- >> no, don't -- >> -- wisdom to leave and become a private consultant. >> the interesting thing -- >> great job, brownie. >> the guys that rick perry picked up, a lot of them worked for rick scott, the governor of florida. now, remember, rick scott was head of a company that was charged $1.7 billion in fines and damages for defrauding medicare. and they got that guy elected governor. so if i were mitt romney, or somebody else, and saw these guys coming into rick perry's camp, i would say, maybe this guy does have a second chance here. we ought to be worried about a perry bou...

>> chris, there's nothing better than being on television with you when you're using the word "horny." let's start with that. >> okay, randy, better word. >> stick with horny. >> we'll stick with what you've got. it is extraordinary, and they do seem to be giving the president a gift on a lot of these issues. i'm more struck, in some ways, by how, in romney's case in particular, how totally ignorant he seems to be about the actual public policy implications of what it would mean to let the foreclosure crisis play out in a natural way. he is supposed to be the guy who has private sector experie...

They could relate to emotionally with the anger they had towards obama. you know, mitt romney isn't that guy. let alone the positions, whether he's conservative enough, whether he's flip-flopped or not, he doesn't feel their anger. and michele bachmann, donald trump, herman cain, rick perry, they've all tried to capitalize on that. no one has done it, you know, in a sustainable way yet, and now here comes rick perry again, for the second bite at that poisonous apple. >> well, let's take a look at the latest poll numbers that explain rick perry's desperation, here, his desperado move of going b...

Americans agree with their beliefs, so what is it about the movement that's drawing growing numbers of americans? and what exactly are the protesters looking for? well, matt cooper is managing editor of "national journal daily" and michelle goldberg reports for "newsweek" and the daily beast. i want to ask michelle and matt to look at these numbers. i saw them in "the new york times" yesterday and blew them away. a smart guy runs through some of these numbers and they're just amazing. look at this number here. 86% of the american people say the wall street people and lobbyists have too much in...