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Going on reality tv and saying she's petrified of the tweets and can't honestly say she has faith this country is going to make it through this presidency, if you ever reflect back to your time in the white house and wonder did we overthink things too much? did we overreact it too much or are you watching it as baffled as everyone else is? >> i'm just watching it saddened. the white house, doesn't matter republican or democrat, it's the best and the brightest. you have people who want to do a great job. on the last day of the bush administration, his chief of staff said to me "all white houses...

Really led to some last-minute drama that raised questions about whether or not they could get on board with a deal that she had actually negotiated. so i think that dynamic is going to drive our conversations going forward. >> all right. kasie, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. you have rand paul complains about the obama deficits. that's rich because when george w. bush was elected president we had a $5.6 trillion national debt. he doubled the national debt. barack obama almost doubled the national debt. we're over $20 trillion, we have a $20 trillion national debt, it's skyrocket...