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Might be helpful in the prosecution of either of those two gentlemen, assuming that neither of them plead guilty. so, what a prosecutor is trying to do is really two things. they're sending a message to the person who broke the law. in this case, van der zwaan is being punished for lying to the fbi. that's specific deterrence. but there's another theory of deterrence that matters a lot, katy. that's general deterrence. it's the message to everyone else. look at what happened to this guy for lying. don't make that mistake. >> let's talk about the way that robert mueller is going about this whol...

Equals b, -- >> if you ban smoking on airplanes, what next? will they ban it in central park? >> good point. >> you just shot me dowp. -- down. >> i had a whole point to make on that. >> what precedent do you set? >> you punish this guy for lying, and you will not punish your dentist. that's ridiculous. >> and the slippery slope, if you slip and fall, can you blame it on the person whose property you sliped? america should be dwelling on everything i just said. >> america should not dwell. >> we will have discussion groups on-line following the program. >> you need a mute button. >> america ri...

Equals b, -- >> if you ban smoking on airplanes, what next? will they ban it in central park? >> good point. >> you just shot me dowp. -- down. >> i had a whole point to make on that. >> what precedent do you set? >> you punish this guy for lying, and you will not punish your dentist. that's ridiculous. >> and the slippery slope, if you slip and fall, can you blame it on the person whose property you sliped? america should be dwelling on everything i just said. >> america should not dwell. >> we will have discussion groups on-line following the program. >> you need a mute button. >> america ri...