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You get my last point to jonathan carl, right? all of these things were taking place. all these things. we initially thought it was very haphazard. he gives a speech, he stokes up the crowd, they go down pennsylvania avenue, some of them break into the capitol. it was much, much more than that. it was much more sophisticated and there are all different aspects of it that you have to pull back and look at the big picture. but what was the guy with the horns supposed to do, because i don't believe it was left to chance. one more if we have time, and i believe we do. meadows wasn't dialed in. onc...

Picture. but what was the guy with the horns supposed to do, because i don't believe it was left to chance. one more if we have time, and i believe we do. meadows wasn't dialed in. once you get on trump's bad side, there's no going back. look at a guy like bannon. you're never completely out of trump world. that's the funny thing about it. he tolerates people fighting him, coming back. look at rudy. what was the rest of that tweet. once you get on trump's bad side, you're not coming back. he might as well cooperate with the investigation because trump will destroy him first chance he gets. wha...

These are a whole set of competing factions. you've got the steve bannon nationalist populist alt-right faction. you've got the anti-immigration guys. you've got the goldman sachs guys. and you've got this -- you've got the family business people, jared and ivanka types. so you've got this mix of competing camps and factions. they all combine sort of baseline personal viciousness, a catastrophic degree of disloyalty in a white house like this. frankly a lot of them aren't terribly bright. so you ending up with a guy like bannon, who is fairly clever, burning the building down after he's been t...

And you've got this -- you've got the family business people, jared and ivanka types. so you've got this mix of competing camps and factions. they all combine sort of baseline personal viciousness, a catastrophic degree of disloyalty in a white house like this. frankly a lot of them aren't terribly bright. so you ending up with a guy like bannon, who is fairly clever, burning the building down after he's been thrown out by people he considers less capable than he. so i'm not surprised by the disloyalty. but remember, the disloyalty also flows from donald trump. this is a guy who will burn anyo...

Strong words, he spoke about martin luther king jr., on this the 49th anniversary of his nags. >> -- assassination. >> in a way he would have been pleased to have seen the doors open for people like me and others who would not have had opportunities back then, but at the same time when we see a guy like bannon, who is as far as i'm concerned a white supremacist type person sitting in the white house and i'm paying his salary i think he would be very disappointed with all the hate talk that we are hearing now and the climate we find ourselves in. >> van, what do you think? right on, too far? wh...