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Have have strength. strength comes in many, many different forms. but that is basically his essence. i am strong, i am powerful, i can protect us, i am daddy. so whatever form. it can't be pure intellect, it can't just be charisma, likability. that is the one thing and certainly biden certain kind of strength and cam a but you need to be strong to go at trump . >> a case you've been making of not just your political career but your professional career. >> but that's an argument -- >> is that not a form of strength? >> i get concerned -- this is not the gender issue, i don't think she projects ...

Cliff. they still may be a bad actor. >> will containment? >> where we ought to be aiming is denuclearization. >> destroy the weapons they have. >> you've got to get the weapons out of there. they pose a threat not just to the region, they pose a threat to the united states. >> is that realistic. >> and to the world. >> can any president do that? president obama couldn't do it. george w couldn't do it. clinton couldn't do it. we've been trying since the '90s, remember the clintons tried to give them coal so they wouldn't go nuclear. >> the part that keeps changing. you asked me for my optimist...